00:17:48 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 00:19:44 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 00:20:03 Deb Springer: Shirley, that has stuck with me forever too!! 00:21:11 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: I say it constantly and every year to our interns. Be Generally Useful! 00:23:22 Caitlin Bennyhoff: #SP4SJ 00:24:27 Karen Staab: Could you please post the link for the presentation powerpoint 00:24:31 Caitlin Bennyhoff: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 00:25:16 S. Mangroo: That link does not seem work..... 00:25:25 S. Mangroo: *to work 00:26:24 Kevin Donley: can you copy the padet link into the chat? 00:26:46 Caitlin Bennyhoff: https://padlet.com/celestemmalone/SP4SJ 00:26:47 Celeste Malone (she/her): https://padlet.com/celestemmalone/SP4SJ 00:29:41 Kim Neptune: Kimberly Neptune 00:35:48 S. Mangroo: Anyone else not able to pull up the PP? 00:36:02 S. Mangroo: The link is not working for me.... 00:36:25 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: It takes you to a Google folder and is in PDF in there.....do you have a restriction on Google? 00:36:58 Shelby Malone: If needed, I would be happy to send a copy of the PP to your email. 00:37:01 S. Mangroo: No restrictions. It says "This site cannot be reached." 00:37:15 Caitlin Bennyhoff: Try this link to a pdf: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LyrdOFSoEJBwaxSzJnTvRwc6pS0yTZqA/view?usp=sharing 00:40:33 Helena Tuleya-Payne: please put link to the propublica info 00:41:11 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://projects.propublica.org/miseducation/ 00:41:14 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: Thank you Dr. Malone for sharing this PA data....IMPORTANT 00:41:23 Helena Tuleya-Payne: Thanks, Jason 00:42:01 Jess Clark (she/her): I might’ve missed the introduction for Dr. Malone specifically… but I wanted to follow up with a comment because of how awesome it is that she’s here with us today. Dr. Malone is a champion trainer in the areas of multicultural competence and cultural humility for both current students and active professionals. She’s formally and informally a resource for students and colleagues in the DC / Maryland area through mentorship and involvement in professional organizations at the local, state, and national level (NASP & APA). I’ve had the pleasure of learning from Dr. Malone on multiple occasions and always walk away with new knowledge. We’re so lucky that she’s here! 00:42:46 Caitlin Bennyhoff: Jess Clark - we need a "like button" for your comment! 00:42:53 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: @Jess.....YOU ARE SO RIGHT! She is a powerhouse! 00:42:54 AMBER SESSOMS: Thank you for this much-needed introduction of this brilliant woman! 00:43:20 Helena Tuleya-Payne: thumbs up! 00:43:33 Katie Palladino: Thank you for sharing. I was eager to learn more about her background as I have heard wonderful things. 00:44:14 Caitlin Bennyhoff: Anyone else need to hit pause on that quote, "We can't look at the achievement gap without looking at the opportunity gap." 00:44:48 AMBER SESSOMS: ^^^ 00:45:08 AMBER SESSOMS: "They deny them from the beginning." 00:45:47 gkelbish: Thank you for the background on Dr. Malone. LIke all these comments. 00:46:09 Julia Szarko: Thank you for this data Celeste! I will be sharing with my admin in Central Bucks 00:46:46 Helena Tuleya-Payne: the opportunity gap - unequal opportunities in PA based on the SES of your district- is a problem that must be addressed more vigorously- I don’t see this addressed by political candidates 00:47:45 Lamiya Khan: Agreed ^ 00:48:07 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: To augment Jess Clark’s comments: Celeste Malone, PhD, MS, is an associate professor and coordinator of the school psychology program at Howard University. She received her PhD in school psychology from Temple University in Philadelphia, PA. Prior to obtaining her doctorate, Dr. Malone received her MS in school counseling from Johns Hopkins University. Her primary research interest relates to multicultural and diversity issues embedded in the training and practice of school psychology. 00:48:09 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: Dr. Malone has continuously held leadership positions in psychology professional associations. She currently serves on the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP) Board of Directors as the strategic liaison for the social justice strategic goal. In that capacity, Dr. Malone works closely with NASP boards and committees to develop and implement programs and activities to address social justice issues in school psychology and education. Additionally, Dr. Malone is an elected member of the American Psychological Association (APA) Board of Educational Affairs, the governance group that develops policies for education and training in psychology. 00:50:28 Katie Palladino: Thank you! 00:50:38 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): Dr. Malone is also a candidate for NASP President, vote in January! https://www.nasponline.org/membership-and-community/elections 00:51:08 Kati Oakes Pusey: Also sends a subtle message to other students - Bandura’s social cognitive tx. This helps perpetuate the problem. 00:51:22 AMBER SESSOMS: Thank you for piercing our social consciousness about the value gap in America: what groups we value and what groups we do not value. 00:52:26 Whitly Breakey: It is mind-blowing how much hate speech I see and hear in these very rural communities that are 99% white. I forget that these students are not exposed to diversity and learn from parents who also are never exposed to diversity. 00:52:57 Jaimie Rennie: Whitly I 100% agree with that comment and I see that too where I work. 00:53:33 Krista Bussone: Whitly YES. People who have narrow experiences that perpetuate for generations. 00:53:47 Matthew Haines: Whitly - same! But then we are warned to not be politically partisan in any way, as though racism is a partisan issue. 00:54:01 Amelia Lopez: Wonderful message, It needs to be presented to Administrator conferences, and teacher professional organizations. Otherwise it feels like we are preaching to the choir. 00:54:22 Helena Tuleya-Payne: Good point, Amelis 00:54:39 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes! "A deficit perspective" is victim-blaming and assimilationist! 00:54:41 Kati Oakes Pusey: Yes, Dr. Lopez! 00:55:24 Krista Bussone: I agree Dr. Lopez. And hope the message can be received without defensiveness and excuses. 00:57:12 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: In my opinion, the choir can be smaller than we think.....there are many people in education in all roles (including ours) who need these opportunities to hear messages like this and presented with data.....there are many who still believe in the "pull yourselves up by the bootstrap myth..." 00:57:24 AMBER SESSOMS: @Dr. Amelia: this message is just as important for ALL of us, me include as a Black woman, because we ALL live in a would that values White bodies over all other bodies. Racism is as natural as our native language. We speak it internally and externally daily. We ALL have to do the DAILY work to disrupt and divest from the constant messaging. 00:58:30 Krista Bussone: Dr. Nikole: and now new phrasing, "grit." 00:58:43 AMBER SESSOMS: Preach, @Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims! Deficit ideology vs. Structural ideology! 00:59:05 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, Krista! 00:59:06 Lamiya Khan: I love your comment, Amber! Working in an urban district, I see very little social justice and advocacy. We all definitely need to do more to learn and improve within our roles. 01:03:15 AMBER SESSOMS: <3, Lamiya 01:04:01 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, Dr. Malone! 01:05:54 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: It is the PROCESS! Yes!!! 01:06:02 AMBER SESSOMS: "It's not just about what we do, but it's the process of how we get there." 01:14:44 AMBER SESSOMS: Amen! 01:24:16 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): Major implication...culturally responsive consultation skills and practices are important for all levels! 01:24:47 AMBER SESSOMS: "Racial socialization is a protective factor for students of color." 01:25:16 Shelby Malone: Yes, Amber! I love that. 01:28:07 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 01:41:45 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): I like how you get a glimpse of more people after a breakout room :) 01:42:10 Kevin Donley: Could have discussed all of the topics for a long time. Good and necessary conversation/reflection 01:42:15 AMBER SESSOMS: Always good to "see" you, Dr. Kaiser! 01:42:29 Micki: I think some people left during the breakout sessions. 01:43:05 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): Great discussion and chance to meet others across the state. 01:46:15 AMBER SESSOMS: Important point, Dr. Malone, about how we can often silence students when we feel uncomfortable about students speaking their truth because it may activate our own biases. 01:46:54 Helena Tuleya-Payne: Enjoyed and learning from others in breakout group 15. 01:48:47 Krista Bussone: Hurray for Dr. Boyer! 02:00:38 David Lillenstein: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 02:02:54 David Lillenstein: https://tinyurl.com/ASPP-SP4SJ 02:04:05 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, such an important distinction that it's not race or poverty but the structural oppression that puts certain groups in harms way. (deficit vs. structural ideology) 02:05:38 David Lillenstein: BTW - ASPP signed on to support this call to action 02:07:47 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: Agreed Dr. Malone, it's systemic and doesn't just land in our schools alone, but from the entry point of school psychology from student to practitioner 02:09:46 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://ucsbeducation.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8bGGcrIlvZblEYl 02:10:49 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: https://www.nasponline.org/resources-and-publications/resources-and-podcasts/diversity-and-social-justice/social-justice/school-psychology-unified-anti-racism-statement-and-call-to-action 02:12:06 AMBER SESSOMS: #CiteBlackWomen! 02:14:09 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: This is why this session is so important....I really hope those who were not able to attend today or those who left the session would watch the recording or seek their own professional learning.....it is a process..... 02:16:23 AMBER SESSOMS: ^^^ 02:23:40 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): I also think it is important to think that we could be in action stage for one issue, but precontemplation or contemplation for another. I feel like I could rate myself at different levels for different issues or actions. 02:24:34 Whitly Breakey: Agreed Lauren! Sometimes I feel like I'm in action, but others I'm still preparation. There are some issues I need to learn more and would fall in precontemplation and contemplation 02:24:39 Jess Clark (she/her): Totally agree Lauren 02:25:06 Sarah Rochette: Agreed! 02:25:14 AMBER SESSOMS: Amen! 02:25:29 Daniel Cane: Role changes based on systems' initiatives influences my movement back to preparation, ecological reasons beyond just where "I am at." 02:27:29 Krista Bussone: The autistic community is very vocal about the ableist medical view 02:34:49 AMBER SESSOMS: Such an important concept...I think of the reverse of looking like the angry Black woman when I call things out. 02:34:49 Caitlin Bennyhoff: Feeling like it puts a target on your back to speak up 02:34:59 Stacy Leathery: One obstacle is when you are new to the school building even if you have been in the school district for a long time. 02:35:07 Caitlin Bennyhoff: Or emotional white woman 02:35:10 Daniel Cane: Supportive culture is essential for having difficult conversations 02:35:11 Whitly Breakey: Sometimes being newer to a district or younger then people may look down on your views. 02:35:19 Helena Tuleya-Payne: being “nice” and wanting to avoid conflict probably applies in many aspects of a person’s life and thus is hard to overcome 02:35:21 Megan Hutchinson: Knowing who the key stakeholder is in a building and where they stand on issues…. you need them because they have the power, yet if you bring it up in the wrong way, nothing will move forward. 02:35:25 Krista Bussone: At present it is being new to the system. And I have definitely been in systems where questioning the status quo put a target on you. 02:35:35 Daniel Cane: YES!! Brene Brown 02:35:40 AMBER SESSOMS: "Who's safety is being prioritized?" YES! 02:35:42 Kim Neptune: Or just emotional woman 02:35:43 Deb Springer: Working within a department where others are not willing to make or discuss changes. 02:35:45 Duane Conrad: You're just responding to your white guilt 02:35:53 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: "Who's safety is being prioritized?" -- Dr. Malone 02:36:57 Sarah Aduddell: My husband is a police officer so I have had to ask questions that are hard and very personal. But it has been a good thing for my own personal growth which I know will change me as a school psychologist as well. 02:37:04 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: Paul Gorski talks about "when we (As adults) don't speak up, we have now put that burden onto the students/children we are charged to serve..." 02:37:15 rlemieux: another barrier is how our roles are defined in the district 02:37:18 Caitlin Bennyhoff: ^^ Yes Nikole! 02:37:23 Megan Hutchinson: Great point, Nikole. 02:37:57 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, Nikole! 02:38:04 Rachel Lago: Knowing the best way to go about working on systems-level issues, and knowing how to involve key stakeholders in the district in the things that need to be changed. 02:38:21 Joshua Consider: Yes! People view talking about systems problems as personal attacks against them. 02:39:17 AMBER SESSOMS: "Silence is a privilege." 02:39:20 David Lillenstein: A systems issue requires a systems response!! So true!!! 02:40:04 Katie Palladino: Silence is privilege-WOW. 02:40:16 David Lillenstein: Silence does harm. 02:40:36 Caitlin Bennyhoff: ^^ I mean, we teach kids about bystanders.... 02:40:49 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, Caitlin! 02:40:50 Katie Palladino: it does and indicates complicity but so true that it is also a privelege 02:41:18 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: Sesame Street said we should think about calling children who speak up and (Adults) as "Upstanders"....I loved that idea 02:41:28 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: Silence is a privilege and makes you complicit in maintaining racist systems 02:41:44 AMBER SESSOMS: ^^^ 02:41:59 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, "upstanders!" 02:42:35 Sarah Aduddell: I love the “Upstanders” idea! 02:44:11 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: "Ancillary instead of centered...." 02:44:28 Cathe Davis: My principal reminds students, "Be an upstander, not a bystander," every morning on the announcements! 02:44:38 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, there has been invisibility within our field. 02:46:34 AMBER SESSOMS: "Everyone in their Momma" for sure! 02:46:37 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: C'mon Doc! 02:46:42 AMBER SESSOMS: ^^^ 02:46:44 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): Yes! 02:48:05 Caitlin Bennyhoff: https://www.projectimplicit.net/ 02:50:31 AMBER SESSOMS: "Our work is inherently political." 02:51:03 AMBER SESSOMS: Our very bodies are politicized. 02:52:47 Kevin Donley: I feel like everything has become political. It’s like we live in a choose-your-own-fact reality that can lead to incendiary conversations about topics that should not be up for debate. I find this is one of the biggest barriers in having those hard conversations with those who hold beliefs that do not take into consideration issues of social justice and historical inequity. In the workplace, this leads to detrimental impacts to working relationships both between staff, and between staff and students. 02:54:39 Whitly Breakey: Yes Kevin! I agree. People are so set in their ways and will fall back to their confirmation bias with only resources that support them. This should not be happening in our schools because we should be treating all children with dignity and respect. 02:56:02 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: AMEN -- School psychologists must be at the tables 02:56:32 S. Mangroo: "Decisions about School Psychology cannot be made without School Psychologists at the table".....!!! 02:56:41 Kati Oakes Pusey: Kevin, I agree - and it can be difficult to navigate because there is a lot of sensitivity around it… with the ‘wrong’ approach, an advocate can seem like an extremist. I really like a lot of the concepts that came from the consultation session yesterday. 02:58:24 AMBER SESSOMS: "What are the unintended consequences." 03:00:04 Dr. Jason Pedersen - School Psychologist: Question: Is it a problem to be considered an extremist if the extreme is protecting and lifting up students? Would we have the same hesitation if we were talking about supporting students with disabilities? 03:01:49 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes, Jason! 03:01:57 Kati Oakes Pusey: I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem, but a delicate approach may be needed in order to enact change. 03:05:48 AMBER SESSOMS: @Kati, my questions would be to whom do we need to be delicate? Does the "backlash" that is pervasive in addressing bias and racism a tool used to maintain the oppression? How do you do the right thing regardless of the backlash? Whose voices are we centering in this work? 03:08:15 Whitly Breakey: I would rather be called an "extremist" or a "radical" for advocating for students and others who do not share my privilege than not ruffling feathers. The fear around speaking up is what prevents a lot of us to change. I too am guilty of that, but I'm trying to shed that persona. 03:10:10 AMBER SESSOMS: Yes! I was just about to say Nice White Parents! 03:10:49 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): You did! This was so important! 03:10:50 Kathryn Westcott: excellent information and resources. Thank you! 03:10:51 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: You are amazing Dr. Malone!! Voting in the NASP election as soon as I can......Thank you for your leadership and inspiration! 03:11:23 Kati Oakes Pusey: @Amber, the concern is that we need to be careful not to silence our own voices before they even have the chance to be heard. If we are viewed as extremists, some ears may be closed. 03:11:26 Whitly Breakey: That was awesome Dr. Malone. Thank you! 03:11:26 Helena Tuleya-Payne: A fantastic presentation - thank you! 03:12:06 AMBER SESSOMS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZ3RPJ2rNc Abolitionist Teaching with Dena Simmons, Bettina Love, and Gholdy Muhammad 03:12:07 Helena Tuleya-Payne: Agreed! 03:12:21 Dr. Nikole Hollins-Sims: Thank you for addressing this -- grit is victim blaming 03:12:26 AMBER SESSOMS: "You can't really pull yourself up when you are essentially chained down." 03:12:28 Caitlin Bennyhoff: @Kati - Paul Gorski has great info on how to do this. https://www.equityliteracy.org/team 03:13:04 AMBER SESSOMS: The capitalistic scarcity perspective! Yes! 03:13:06 Whitly Breakey: Yes!! The systems issues are huge in this country!!! 03:13:08 Krista Bussone: A friend of mine also phrased it as "what if you don't have bootstraps?" 03:14:18 Daniel Cane: Research from California finds vast differences in race with social-emotional or related competencies. 03:14:30 rlemieux: Thank you. 03:14:32 Krista Bussone: Thank you! 03:14:33 Lauren Kaiser (she/her): Thank YOU! 03:14:35 Christina Marco-Fies: Thank you!!!! 03:14:41 Toni Badura: Thank you!!!!